February 1, 2010
Written by Sue · Filed Under U.S., World
24 Responses to “Idaho Baptist Adoption Suspects Planned to ‘Gather’ 100 Haitian Orphans, Cross Border”
Great article. I am heartened by the global outrage of these (at best) reckless and selfish individuals. Child trafficing is out of control, it is good to see media attention on this global problem.
Stupid people…yeah, I’m talking about you morons who believe these people of faith are on par with some of the worst people among us.
Hate God much?
You are pathetic.
[...] I would like to see a news piece on the orphanage she built. Here is some information: Idaho Baptist Adoption Suspects Planned to ‘Gather’ 100 Haitian Orphans, Cross Border | … [...]
This article seems less an issue about those helping people and more about the beliefs that motivate us. Sue judges them guilty before they are tried.
Yes this group was naive. But hundreds of other Christians have been there for decades through the tough times seeking to help, and doing it right. One group fortuitously had two containers, 500,00 rations, on the docks when the quake struck. (The country is 90% catholic in name only.)
Yes the Baptist want to convince people of their beliefs, but no more so than Sue does by criticising in such a way to convince us to believe her way?
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Look, these people are taking children who have parents. CBS and NBC have had photos of fliers they were passing out, promising schooling and a swimming pool. Rather than responding to children in need, they were actively enticing people to give them their children. Don’t care whether God is involved in their intentions, their approach is unethical. You don’t lie for Jesus (or, rather, Jesus does not approve of you lying for him). An ethical organization would: try to keep families together by providing for children in the community, rather than in a foreign country; be transparent as to their intentions; not entice children by offering them luxuries beyond the means of their parents; coordinate with the government and organizations to keep from child trafficking. Sounds to me like this is a Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker scheme to profit from child adoption from both the product (children) and the consumer (housing for people wanting to adopt). I hope the Haitian government throws the book at them.
People do good with a religious underpinning, There are many fine Christian relief groups doing a fantastic job.
However just because a group claims to be “doing God’s work” doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want. If this was a secular group, or a Muslim group, those that are defending their actions would be calling for life in prison.
Intent is important, but we have to get past their religion and look at their actions when forming an opinion.
Do I hate God? Why would I? I don’t believe he exists.
Now, for these people. St00pid.
You can’t just go into any country and start grabbing kids. I don’t care what country it is. You can’t do that.Period. Every person knows this. Crossing an international border with children with no papers or travel documents. St00pid.
Now, for the God told me to do it reasoning. People talk to their God all the time.
Hey, that’s their business. Have at it. If you need that kinda stuff, go for it. I hope it fills your needs. But, If I respect your right to worship any way you wish. Then I expect the same in return. Since some (not all mind you) of you religious folks can’t seem to understand that part. It’s up to you to fix it. Talking to God is no big deal.
But when people start saying he’s/she’s talking back to them, Houston, we have a problem.
Stevo, Stevo, stevo.
Insults only prove one thing.
That you are filled with hate.
Thanks for playin.
I don’t wish for these people to spend a lot of time in jail, but maybe if they stay for a while it will dawn on them that this was a reckless mission. You cannot simply go into neighborhoods, pick up children and then take them from their country into another without meeting all the standards. They cannot call these children orphans when they have parents. They lied to the older children about where they were going. They lied when they said God “told” them to do this…..they wanted to do this and their motives were obvious. They saw this as an opportunity to raise their children and make converts of them. Nowhere in the Bible did God condone such actions.
Considering that these people were caught in flagrante delicto with kidnapped children, the trial is a mere formality. They admit to committing the crime therefore they ARE criminals, therefore they ARE “the worst people among us”, Stevo. If you want to say that their actions are mitigated by their intentions, fine, but for tough-on-crime Christians to claim “because Jesus told me to” is a get-out-of-jail free card is not justice. They chose to make the rules up as they went just like any other criminal, so let them pay for it just like any other criminal.
The US forefathers were well versed and prolific in their warnings against the religious fanatic ilk to be sure:
“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.” – James Madison
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.” -Thomas Jefferson
No this article is not about hating on people of faith, it is hating on people that believe that breaking the law is their God given right.
It is inserting themselves into a situation and acting contrary to what the people of the country have decided for themselves. This group was warned by Hatian officials not to do this without the proper documentation and they did it anyway. There is no “orphanage” there is no money to build an orphanage. Regardless of the intentions, and I leave that up to others to decide, they broke the laws of the country. If, after 9/11 someone from France came and took children that had lost parents, or whose parents were missing, from our country and brought them to Canada in the name of God, how do you think this country would react. It is not for them to decide.
Stevo, calling those who don’t agree with you names just exposed the weakness of your argument.
I don’t think the leaders of this group are naive or misguided. They saw a great opportunity to snatch some kids and “sell them” to adoptive parents. In their business plan I’m sure there was going to be a cost for the adoptive parents. I’m also curious about the vetting system they have in place to vet the prospective adoptive parents. Probably not as stringent as U. S. adoptive policy. It is very wrong to excuse these people because they say they are Christians. Nope. They are money grubbing sociopaths that cloak their evil under the guise of religion. These Christian “sects” are all about making money. When they get caught they say ‘well, God told me to do it!.”
The issue is not really about this group’s belief in God or the particular denomination to which they belong or even the state where they live although Idaho does tend to enrage liberals for some reason. At issue should be the intent of this group, independant of whatever religious orientation they espouse. Clearly, they had not gone through established channels to remove the children from Haiti, orphans or not. Those children with one or more surviving parent had been voluntarily relenquished according to some accounts; this needs to be sorted out.
That said, these are desperate times in this ravaged country and delays for any reason result in more people dying. My family made an immediate donation to the relief efforts for this very reason; this group of people put themselves in harms way by traveling to Haiti and until proven otherwise, we must assume they intended to help. Should they wait for a notoriously corrupt and ineffective government (even more so due to the disaster) to approve paperwork or direct their actions? How long would this take and how many more would die waiting?
The demand for “justice” by this government and most of you sickens me; perhaps I’ll wait for Haiti to file the proper paperwork with me (in triplicate, of course) before I’ll consider putting my hard earned cash in their till.
You all (yes I’m a Southerner, thank God) keep on hating and hoping for a long prison term; I hope you have all your ducks in a row when you are in need.
I’m sorry, tricking parents into giving up their kids then transporting them out of the country to then profit by offering them for adoption is by definition child trafficking. These kids were traumatized and crying for their parents. They weren’t prepared to care for the them. They were hungry and dehydrated when they got to SOS childrens villages. Some needed medical attention. There are international standards in effect to deal with children that are victims of natural disasters. They showed no genuine concern for the children, only for their goals of setting up an orphanage and adoption enterprise. I don’t care what religion they are, they are traffickers.
I hope these lunatic zealots get thrown in a Haitain prison. They knew what they were doing was wrong and didn’t care because god was gooing to take care of everything. That worked out well didn’t it ? Guess he just doesn’t care about you or……he simply doesn’t exist. More likely the latter.
[...] in Haiti, the story of these Baptist missionaries from the New Life Children’s Refuge is a sick tragedy on it’s own. The Baptist church group went to Haiti to save the souls of children from the deeply Catholic [...]
This is not religion; this is psychosis.
I am a Christian and very familiar with the Great Commission. and how it’s been distorted and manipulated to serve the interests of these fringe evangelical groups.
When God starts talking back to you–it’s time for a mental health evaluation.
If you are motivated only by the voice of God telling you what to do, you need to be medicated.
They are kidnappers. If they truly were Christian, they never would have gathered up little children and tried to leave the country. They thought they were above the law because their mission is to convert and save. The New Testament trumps international law in their world. A real Christian group would have worked to keep parents and children together. How dare they think God sent them on a mission to take children from their mothers. The woman running this group has no money; no orphanage, and zero credibility. She cannot be defended.
I saw her on the news and was struck by her inability to articulate why she would do this. I heard a lot about God’s Love and what God wants her to do, but not once did she say what she wanted. God this and God that, blah blah blah…she recited it like she’d said it a million times, and it had just lost all meaning.
Jesus had some harsh words for people that would do children harm; perhaps they missed that page in their Bible.
[...] rather than the usual abandoned shack or warehouse. It may be suitable for child trafficking. Idaho Baptist Adoption Suspects Planned to ‘Gather’ 100 Haitian Orphans, Cross Border | … [...]
What a group does is not necessarily representative of the community. Even within this particular group, it’s very possible that not everyone is on the same page.
The BBC News brings in the perspective that many Haitians are upset the government is focusing more on this group of Americans than the disaster relief in Haiti.
But it’s a completely different thing. The situation calls for really close scrutiny, and nothing puts people above the law. It doesn’t even make sense.
We do want to find good intents in people. A defense attorney has been sacked for bribery. What that means? Not a good sign for me.
Good intentions yes. Mentally ill . Possible. I’m mentally ill (takes one to know one)
Like getting a speeding ticket, you have to pay the consequences for your actions.
The judge usually says “Ignorance is no exception to the law.” when the “I didn’t know!” answer comes up in court.
Feel for 8 others that trusted , had faith in her (group leaders).
Somebody dropped a lot of money on a 6 month lease on a 45 room hotel in Dominican north coast. (on the ocean?). Will they get their money back?
Haitian prison is a nightmare for anyone. Several of group were only in their teens.
Sad. Really sad.especially for 8 in group that just wanted to help out with earthquake, and raised their hands the Sunday before the trip (for 3 day cruise/Gilligans Island). Wonder who played Gilligan?
They volunteered 2 days before the group took off. Next time do a background check on group leaders
Sad. Lifting group up in prayer daily
[...] group of 10 Baptist missionaries say God sent them to kidnap 33 Haitian children to give them a better [...]
Just the facts that can be reasonably verified reveal Laura Silsby as a devious, demented sociopath, a blatant liar and a “great pretender”. She pretends to be a christian but produces only the fruits of the devil. She leaves a quagmire of debt and legal actions against her and flys off to Haiti (with whose money ??? maybe the unpaid wages of those she swindled) with obvious plans of kidnapping as many children as she could get her hands on to ultimately sell them in adoptions to foreigners. She lied to the parents…with assurances they would be able to visit their children and she would keep in touch …. she apparently lied through her teeth to her traveling companions (though they seem too stupid to feel sorry for) …. she lied to the press …. she lied to the authorities …. claiming to be unaware of needing documentaion for the children and the Haitian governments permission to remove their children ( this is the whopper …. come on, what country on the planet will let you sail in and kidnap their children !!!) …. she is obviously lying about having any relationship with the Lord whatsoever ….. in fact she is a painful embarressment to sincere believers. If she gets off by playing the god card it will be a real travesty of justice.
And why on earth would any self respecting sincere congregation of christians back and believe a woman whose life is a nightmare of financial and legal disarray??? How stupid, arrogant and dangerous are these people????
[...] well-intentioned fashion, I’m sure that this group of idiots thought some poor kids in Haiti never would have it so good if they didn’t take them out of Haiti so that they could indoctrinate them into Christianity. [...]
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