Birther Crazies Plan DC ‘Birth Certificate’ March

April 28, 2010


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6 Responses to “Birther Crazies Plan DC ‘Birth Certificate’ March”

  1. Redman on April 28th, 2010 8:14 pm

    Republicans are not crazy for being fact based. We only want the facts. If Obama had a birth certificate, why hasn’t he just shown it? Ever think of that? You have no argument against that fact with your hate and smears.

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  3. Dad Bode on April 29th, 2010 2:39 pm

    Birther: “Oh why won’t Barack Obama release his birth certificate? If only he did that simple little thing, we could put this whole matter to rest. And it would only cost him ten dollars.”

    Rational Person (RP): “Didn’t you see the birth certificate he posted online?”

    Birther: “Anyone could have Photoshopped that. In fact, I saw an anonymous guy on the internet claim that he could prove it was faked. He’s an expert in ‘instructional media.’”

    RP: “You do realize that ‘instructional media’ doesn’t have anything to do with document analysis, right?”

    Birther: “Regardless, it’s still fake. If Obama truly had nothing to hide, he’d release his long-form birth certificate, not this computer printout.”

    RP: “How should he release it? If he simply posted a scan online, wouldn’t you accuse it of being faked?”

    Birther: “Oh, certainly. Anything he produces shouldn’t be trusted unless it’s reviewed by a competent authority, like a judge.”

    RP: “So if Obama obtained his long-form birth certificate, published it, had a judge review it, and then the judge announced that it was legit and he was born in Hawaii, that would be enough? You’d give up arguing that his election is illegitimate, stop filing lawsuits, and concede that he’s eligible to be President?”

    Birther: “Hardly. For all we know, Obama’s parents could have lied to Hawaiian officials, and claimed he was born in Hawaii, when he was actually born in Kenya. Or Canada. For all we know, Hawaiian officials themselves might be in on the cover-up.”

    RP: “What if it can be proven beyond a doubt that the birth certificate is real and accurate, and that he was born in Hawaii. Let’s say there’s a video of John F. Kennedy himself playing midwife to Ann Dunham. Would that settle the matter?”

    Birther: “It’d settle the matter of where he was born. But that doesn’t mean he’s a natural-born citizen and eligible to be President.”

    RP: “Why?”

    Birther: “Because before he was born, his mother married a British citizen. That means she gave up her American citizenship even before he was born. And Obama can’t be a natural-born citizen if neither of his parents were American citizens.”

    RP: “So you’re begging Obama to release his birth certificate, even though you admit it won’t actually stop your complaints.”

    Birther: “That’s right.”

    RP: “Well, what if I can show you that American citizens don’t give up their American citizenship when they marry foreigners? Will that put this to rest?”

    Birther: “Oh, no. Even if I accepted that he was born in Hawaii, and that his mother was still an American citizen, his father was still a Kenyan and British citizen, and that means Obama inherited dual citizenship and thus wasn’t a natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “I see. For the sake of argument, then, let’s say that I could show you that there’s no requirement that a natural-born citizen be born of two U.S. citizens. Would that satisfy you?”

    Birther: “Sorry, but no. Even if the birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii, and he could show that his mother was a U.S. citizen when he was born, and that his father’s citizenship didn’t disqualify him, there’s still the matter of Indonesia.”

    RP: “What does Indonesia have to do with anything?”

    Birther: “When Obama’s mother married Lolo Soetoro, she gave up her U.S. citizenship, and by proxy, Obama’s U.S. citizenship. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “No, it doesn’t work that way. Didn’t we already cover this with her first marriage?”

    Birther: “It doesn’t matter. Even if her marriage didn’t invalidate his citizenship, when Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he ceased to be a U.S. natural-born citizen. So he can’t be President.”

    RP: “A minor child can’t surrender his U.S. citizenship that way. Besides, there’s no evidence that he was adopted in the first place.”

    Birther: “Even if that’s the case, he’s still not in the clear. Because when he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on his Indonesian passport, he gave up his U.S. citizenship.”

    RP: “Apart from the fact that that wouldn’t have sacrificed his citizenship, do you actually have any direct evidence that he in fact did use an Indonesian passport?”

    Birther: “Not direct evidence. But American passport holders weren’t allowed into Pakistan in 1981.”

    RP: “Do you have any evidence that that is actually true about travel to Pakistan in 1981?”

    Birther: “No.”

    RP: “I see. OK, if you put aside the passport, would you concede that he’s eligible to be President?”

    Birther: “Still no. When Obama was adopted, his name was legally changed to ‘Barry Soetoro.’ There’s no proof he ever changed his name back, but he ran for President as ‘Barack Obama.’ And that violates election law. I will never accept his Presidency until I see the documentation where he changed his name back to Obama.”

    RP: “That’s impossible. How can he possibly produce that documentation, when he never changed his name away from Obama in the first place? What proof is there that he was ever legally adopted or changed his name? And even if he was adopted, what possible reason would there be to legally change his first name to a nickname?”

    Birther: “A school application in Indonesia says his last name was ‘Soetoro.’ They take those applications very seriously in Indonesia, so this is solid legal proof that he was adopted and had a name change.”

    RP: “And the fact that the same application says he was born in Hawaii?”

    Birther: “That was a mistake.”

    RP: “OK, so to recap, you wanted Obama to release a birth certificate, but when he did, you accused it of being a forgery? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And you say that if he simply shared his long-form birth certificate with the public, that could be forged too? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “So you want him to release his long-form birth certificate and to have that birth certificate reviewed by a judge, to satisfy his critics and answer the questions they’re asking? Right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if the judge affirms that the birth certificate is legitimate and it says his place of birth was Hawaii, you say it might be falsified, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And even if he proves he was born in Hawaii, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s first marriage, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that the marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his father’s citizenship, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that his father’s citizenship isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his mother’s second marriage, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that his mother’s second marriage isn’t an issue, you claim he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his supposed adoption, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via adoption, you claim that he’s still not a natural-born citizen because of his 1981 travel to Pakistan, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “And if he then proves that he didn’t give up his citizenship via passport, and even when you run out of citizenship arguments completely, you then claim his election is illegitimate because his legal surname is Soetoro, right?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “So you want to know why Obama won’t take the simple measure of releasing his birth certificate, when you already have at least eight consecutive fall-back arguments you’ll make if he does so, whereby you’ll continue to insist that he’s ineligible for the Presidency even after he proves that he was born in Hawaii?”

    Birther: “Right.”

    RP: “Y’know, if I were Obama, I think I’d save my ten dollars too.”

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  6. LM on August 21st, 2010 2:20 pm

    Redman, I’m with you. And I voted for Obama (and would do so again given the same choice). There’s not a doubt in my mind he’s a legal US citizen, but obviously he’s hiding something and the irrationality behind those who refuse to see it is stunning. I am 99.9% sure that what’s on that birth certificate doesn’t present a legal bar to his presidency – but I’m pretty sure too it shows he’s a liar. Then again, what politican isn’t? But the experience of talking to people who refuse to admit there’s anything odd about not releasing it is mind boggling.

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