Will Supporting Gay Marriage Be A Republican Priority?

December 11, 2010


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7 Responses to “Will Supporting Gay Marriage Be A Republican Priority?”

  1. FlexSF on December 11th, 2010 12:33 pm

    Republicans are in bed with professional, anti-gay religious corporations. They will never support the legal equality of gays. The republicans have won major elections as a result of their flamboyant hatred of the gays, and the country has become what it is as a result of these elections.

    The people who have benefited from the anti-gay agenda, including Ken Melhman, deserve to be arrested for crimes against humanity. They’ve failed to address the harms that have been created as a result of their not too distant past, and political gains.

    Republicans are disgusting!

  2. gerry on December 11th, 2010 4:01 pm

    The State has no interest in why people get married, whether they are in love or not, what their sexual practices are, or even if they want children or not. None of these questions appear on the application for a marriage license. What the State requires is the two gender forms (male/female) be present. This is true across time & culture.

    This requirement creates socially approved gender integrated homes (male/female) as opposed to gender segregated homes (male/male or female/female)

    Gender integrated homes (male/female) that have a loving mother & father provide the best outcome for kids. Child development 101 affirms the mother/child father/child relationship as vital.

    Gender segregated homes may be wonderful for the adults but are burdensome/harmful to children in that they deprive a child of either a father or a mother.

    Kids are getting hammered by divorce and single parenting, they don’t need another hurdle put in their way simply so the adults can be happy.

  3. gerry on December 11th, 2010 4:55 pm

    The State’s requirement that the two gender forms (male/female) be present for the issuing of a marriage license completely satisfies the 14th Amendment’s demand of equality in that both gender forms have equal access to marriage.

    Furthermore the State isn’t concerned with orientation at all, it is irrelevant to whether a license is issued. Gender is immutable, orientation isn’t. To inject orientation as a determining requirement in marriage is opening a can of worms, given the fluidity of sexual desire and orientation in humans.

    Lastly, SSM advocates aren’t asking for equal rights. Traditional marriage produces gender integrated homes (male/female). SSM advocates are asking for the right to form socially approved gender segregated homes (male/male or female/female). That is a separate right they want treated as equal to the right in traditional marriage. This is the old “separate but equal” mantra society rejected in regards to race and should now reject when it comes to gender.

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  5. Nefreet on December 12th, 2010 8:17 am

    I challenge your notion of “gender forms”. What exactly, in your opinion, constitutes male? Or female?

    Gender is a social construct that has hardly been the same “across time and culture” as you so claim.

    And, sorry, the gender of your parents makes no difference in your upbringing.

  6. gerry on December 13th, 2010 5:46 pm

    Nefreet,

    In semantics there is a famous saying, “The map is not the territory.” A map is a symbolic representation of the objective territory.

    So you challenge the socially constructed labels that symbolically represent a biological objectivity that has distinctive characteristics. On your “map” you can lower the summit of Everest by 10,000 feet but don’t expect you won’t have to climb those feet because you changed your map!

    Webster defines a male as: an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a female

    Webster defines a female as: of, relating to, or being the sex that bears young or produces eggs.

    What do you want to change regarding these objective descriptions?

    As to gender according to Freud, Erikson, and Piaget it makes a big difference.

    Let me ask: Do Men & women have different natures? Do they bring distinct gender specific approaches to parenting. Do boys & girls learn things from their Dad they don’t from their Mom and vice versa?’ Even the gay community recognizes that ‘Mom’ & ‘Dad’ are gender specific not gender neutral terms. Do you know of any same sex couples where one partner is referred to as ‘Mom’ and the other as ‘Dad’? Isn’t it usually ‘Heather has two mommies’ ?

    As you thought about marriage and family what did you wish for your children, that they have a mother & father that loves them? Wasn’t that part of your dream growing up?

    Do you dispute the fact that SSM creates socially approved gender segregated homes (male/male or female/female) as opposed to traditional marriage which creates gender integrated homes (male/female)? Upon what factual basis would you disagree?

  7. Tim on December 15th, 2010 10:22 am

    “Let me ask: Do Men & women have different natures? Do they bring distinct gender specific approaches to parenting. Do boys & girls learn things from their Dad they don’t from their Mom and vice versa?’”

    Let me answer: no. Humans have the same nature overall. One female is not equal to another female and one male is not equal to another male, so, no, there is no rigid rule in what kind of parenting approaches males or females have, or we would be able to replace any father with any other male, and any mother with any other female.

    Your comments are so steeped in stereotypical ideas of what males and females are like that it’s almost embarrassing to read. The main lesson my father has taught me is the importance of following your heart in life and doing the things you like to do rather than what society wants you to do. What my mother has taught me is to aim for excellency in my work and my life, and have high expectations of myself.

    I don’t think it takes specifically a male or a female to teach these lessons.

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