New Hawaii Gov. Vows to Knock Some Sense Into Birthers

December 27, 2010


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16 Responses to “New Hawaii Gov. Vows to Knock Some Sense Into Birthers”

  1. Richard Cheney on December 27th, 2010 10:48 pm

    Maybe while he’s at it Abercrombie can comment on the similarities between “Operation Northwoods” (government declassified CIA terror) and the 9/11 job supposedly set up and carried out by rag heads.

  2. Joe LaTour on December 27th, 2010 11:08 pm

    So let me get this straight everyone who doesnt like obama are tin foil hat wearing racist xenophobes? I could care less whether he was born in Hawaii. Obama has done nothing for this country he has helped his wall street friends slowly loot and steal from the citizens hijack our country and economy. I as a Highly educated individual find it very offensive that I could be called a Racist for my previous comments. Its fine to not agree with someones opinion but to equate someone who has legitimate questions of Obama’s birth certificate and real birth place with a racist is slander and defamation. I personally have seen no evidence backing up Obama and you haven’t put any in this article. All you’ve done is bash the Birth-er movement…and you didnt even cite any sources. Well its nice to know that almost 2 years later they finally start coming to this issue…long enough to make his documents legel and throw this shill in Hawaii into office

  3. kbp on December 27th, 2010 11:25 pm

    Why do you classify it as a “thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory” in the opening paragraph and then start off the next by stating “Hawaii’s state laws forbids the release of confidential birth records”?

  4. outback on December 27th, 2010 11:28 pm

    I find it odd that the self-proclaimed “highly-educated individual” in the comments above does not understand how capitalization works in the English language. Surely he must have learned about that (what with all his vast education). He also completely misread the article, but I suppose poor grammar and poor reading comprehension tend to go hand in hand.

  5. mark fletcher on December 27th, 2010 11:48 pm

    Hahahah Maybe more Americans would actually trust Obama if he didn’t lie about everything in the first place.

    Oh-Em-Gee, American has changed so much, I’m glad we voted for change, all hail Obama because he isn’t ruining this country just like any of his predecessors. Get real author, Obama’s just a puppet like all the other presidents, yet you call other people crazy for calling them out. Either A., you’re paid to put down ‘conspiracy theorists’ by making them look like fools, or B., You’ve got a giant curtain hanging a foot infront of your eyes and can’t see reality for yourself. The whole birth certificate is a giant distraction so you don’t worry about all these absurd bills he’s passed

    Go google Barry Soetoro Hussein for yourself.

  6. mark fletcher on December 27th, 2010 11:52 pm

    Also I’d like to add how I love how our country had turned a full 180.. Like remember a time when if you didn’t like the president and all the BS he’s doing to our country we were allowed to impeach them?

    Now if we disagree with the president we’re either labeled a loony or an anti-american domestic terrorists. wtf.. this country has gone to utter sh*te.

  7. Peter on December 28th, 2010 12:03 am

    Here is the problem with the birther wingnuts. They will hide behind the fact that Hawaii has a state law that forbids release of birth certificates and build their krazy Kenyan theories because they know that if they say fake 1 million times more than the available facts clearly show, their wingnut buddies will believe their cult of conservative crapola! Give up trying to reason with them, unless the holy trinity of neocons (Rush, Hannity, and Palin the wicked -itch of the north) were actually there for both conception and arrival of baby Barak, no one on the Faux News I.V. drip will ever be convinced. Here is an easy way to counter their arguement, if they refuse to acknowledge Obama as president. Ask them to sign over all of their worldly posessions and US citizenship if they are proven wrong in a court of law, then quickly change Hawaii state law, show them the cert, and send these bigots to Honduras.

  8. John Hancock on December 28th, 2010 12:11 am

    The worst birthers of the bunch are those that wrote The New Englander And Yale Law Review back in 1853 who actually bothered to study the constitution and concluded:

    “The expression ‘citizen of the United States occurs in the clauses prescribing qualifications for Representatives, for Senators, and for President. In the latter, the term ‘natural born citizen’ is used and excludes all persons owing allegiance by birth to foreign states.”

    http://books.google.com/books?id=gGNJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA414&dq=Vattel+%2B%22natural+born+citizen%22&as_brr=4&cd=5#v=onepage&q=Vattel%20%2B%22natural%20born%20citizen%22&f=false

    Those damn disaffected right-wing bigots with their racist xenophobic analysis of the constitution 150 years ago starting this conspiracy theory against our first black president knowing he was going to be born with an allegiance to Kenya and Britain! If only we could raise them from the dead so we can force them to admit it.

  9. Morely Dotes on December 28th, 2010 1:15 am

    No, Joe, you’re not a racist because you don’t like Obama. Your reading comprehension is clearly lacking. And for a “Highly educated individual” you sure do express yourself like an ignorant, Faux-News-trained redneck dropout.

  10. Sena Sean on December 28th, 2010 1:35 am

    It’s not just his birth certificate’s birthplace that people want to know .It’s the other information , like what his father and mother were doing for a living, where they were living at the time, if they were actually married.
    And his college trasncripts which are hiding somewhere.
    It’s obvious that Obama has worked out this release with the Gov., so let’s make sure they both know that any funny business or altering of the document will be noticed.

  11. Korbus on December 28th, 2010 2:07 am

    @Joe
    I think you’ve missed the point of the article. The author is making a statement about the continued and willfully ignorant amongst the “birther” movement. You don’t like Obama, and that’s fine. But the author did not claim, as you say, that “everyone who doesnt like obama are tin foil hat wearing racist xenophobes” nor state that Obama is a great president. You say that, “All you’ve done is bash the Birth-er movement,” and I think that is true. Because that is what the article is about. If you want to read an article bashing Obama, or weighing the pros and cons of his presidency, they are plentiful on the internet. This just isn’t the one.

    @kbp
    Better question – why do you equate the author’s factual statement that, “Hawaii’s state laws forbids the release of confidential birth records” with a conspiracy?

    @Mark
    Nothing has changed regarding Congress and impeachment. You are also still allowed to disagree with the president. Furthermore, the right you have to call Obama a puppet, is the same one giving other’s the right to call a Birther a loony. Isn’t freedom of speech grand?

    @Sena
    Just curious – Do you want all this information for every president, past and future, or just Obama? PS: George W. Bush’s college transcripts weren’t released either. They were illegally leaked. HUGE difference.

    PS: http://www.skepdic.com/birthers.html pretty much sums the Birther movement up.

  12. kbp on December 28th, 2010 11:48 am

    @Korbus

    You might want to re-read my question asked.

    If you can provide the details of how the “thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory” was accomplished, then I will openly accept that the maater of “Hawaii’s state laws forbid[ding] the release of confidential birth records” do not conflict with the claim of what was “debunked”.

    I have anticipated we will never see the records necessary to determine where Obama was born, at least not until after he is out of office.

  13. Korbus on December 28th, 2010 3:59 pm

    @Kbp
    By your response, it looks as if I read your original question perfectly. You seem to think there is a grand conspiracy, and anyone who disagrees must provide proof that there isn’t. In typical cascade logic, you seem to think that the less evidence there is for the conspiracy, the more people must be involved.

    So, again, why do you equate the author’s factual statement that, “Hawaii’s state laws forbids the release of confidential birth records” with a conspiracy? I really am honestly curious.

    Are the people who have viewed it lying? Are the birth notices from the paper all fake? Are the people who say they were actually there when he was born all in on it? Is EVERYONE out to get you?

    I would love to continue discussing this with you. But if all you do is answer my question with more challenges, we really aren’t going to get anywhere, are we? Thank you for your time.

  14. kbp on December 28th, 2010 8:09 pm

    I have not seen a birth notice that says where he was born. Link please.

    Who are the people that were actually there when he was born?

    Abercombie has not made such a claim.

    Personally, I never anticipated anything would come from disputes on whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii, I would just appreciate seeing the evidence necessary to put that matter to rest, but doubt we’ll ever see it.

    As for this article, if the matter is ‘debunked’, why mention that the proof necessary cannot be obtained by the public?

  15. Korbus on December 29th, 2010 1:28 am

    @kbp
    I humbly submit that the reason people claim to not see the evidence Obama was born in the United States is because they aren’t looking.

    In the state of Hawaii, those who request birth certificates are given an official document called a certificate of live birth. There is another document, usually known as the “long form,” which is sealed for everyone who is born in Hawaii. This includes ordinary citizens and even soldiers in the U.S. armed service. (Why aren’t “birthers” questioning the citizenship of armed servicemen from Hawaii? Why only Obama? Weird.) These “long forms” are not given out, due to Hawaii state law, but are available to view by appointment. And people have viewed Obama’s and have testified to its validity.

    Here are a few links that spell it all out, including screen shots of his certificate of live birth, the notification from the newspaper, as well as explain a good deal about the conspiracy theories and how they have been debunked. Truthfully, these writers have done it much better than I could. And they are each very reliable sources of information in their own fields: urban legends and myths, and philosophy and skepticism; respectively:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

    http://www.skepdic.com/birthers.html

    I hope this is of some help to you, and others with similar concerns. I’ve noticed those who believe in this particular conspiracy don’t tend to answer questions. Instead, they tend to respond with only more questions and challenges. That is counterproductive to conversation. So I just can’t waste any more of my time here when answers to the questions people ask are easily found with a quick Google search. But if you or anyone else wishes to contact me, my username includes the link to my blog. You can contact me there if you wish to.

    Thank you for your time, and have a great week.

  16. kbp on December 29th, 2010 2:47 pm

    The “conspiracy” are words of the artcile, not mine.

    My question is still the same as it originally was.

    You are trying to transform my question into a debate on the authenticity and/or value of what evidence there may be of where he was born.

    If Ambercombie believes the long form is necessary to conclude the matter, why does the author of this article classify the matter ‘debunked’?

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